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The Cowl Story — Taking Motion to Advance Well being Fairness


Peter Panageas (00:07):

When you’re on the lookout for well timed, related conversations about an important matters in well being protection, you’ve come to the suitable pod. That is IBX: The Cowl Story from Independence Blue Cross host by me, Peter Panageas. By day, I oversee all of our nationwide business enterprise right here at IBX. I’m additionally a caregiver and a affected person. We at all times say that healthcare is private, and it’s. So, my company and I are exploring how the massive image and the massive points have an effect on our on a regular basis lives and the wellbeing of these all of us care about. Collectively, we’ve received this lined, so let’s get began.

Peter Panageas (00:45):

Hello, everyone. That is Peter Panageas, and welcome to episode 11 of IBX: The Cowl Story. For this month’s episode, I’ve invited two particular company to debate how the Blue Cross Blue Protect Affiliation Independence and Blue’s plans throughout the nation are altering the trajectory of racial well being disparities. This time final yr, the Blue Cross Blue Protect affiliation introduced its Nationwide Well being Fairness technique, to confront the nation’s disaster and racial well being disparities. In August, Independence appointed our group’s first ever govt director of well being fairness demonstrating our commit meant for a extra equitable healthcare system. Becoming a member of me as we speak is Dr. Adam Myers, Senior Vice President and Chief Scientific Transformation Officer for the Blue Cross Blue Protect Affiliation, a longtime advocate for group well being and well being fairness. Dr. Myers helps set the imaginative and prescient for the Blues Plans efforts to create a extra equitable healthcare system. We even have Dr. Seun Ross, our Director of Well being Fairness at Independence Blue Cross. In her position, Dr. Ross is accountable for growing and implementing methods to make sure equitable complete particular person well being throughout Independence. Dr. Myers, Dr. Ross, thanks each a lot for being with us as we speak.

Dr. Adam Myers (02:01):

Thanks Peter.

Dr. Seun Ross (02:01):

Thanks for having me

Peter Panageas (02:02):

So Dr. Myers, I’m going to start out with you. Are you able to give us some background and overview of what the Blue Cross Blue Protect Affiliation’s Nationwide Well being Fairness technique is?

Dr. Adam Myers (02:12):

Definitely. Well being inequities usually are not new. We now have within the space of healthcare and public well being, identified that our healthcare outcomes are inequitable for many years. It isn’t a brand new set of details. Nevertheless, as is most public well being problem or disaster, the pandemic revealed for us as soon as once more, the realities of those disparities. We noticed all through this time interval, vital disparity in how COVID was affecting sure folks teams and communities in comparison with others, whether or not or not it’s extreme illness, morbidity, mortality, uptake of the vaccine, even entry to testing. And that actuality has been stark, as I mentioned, in outcomes from lots of of years of structural elements of our society. And the affiliation realized this earlier than the pandemic, and was starting to have thought of how will we handle these inequities. However throughout the pandemic, the platform turned so sizzling that it was clearly time to place collectively a nationwide technique to influence this stuff.

Dr. Adam Myers (03:34):

And for the reason that pandemic introduced them to mild, as soon as once more, a part of that technique included vaccinations, truthful and equitable entry to vaccinations and testing was a part of the technique. Information management about information to information the efforts of interventions was a part of it. But in addition even simply understanding that race, ethnicity, and language information are marginally obtainable. And if we will’t measure it, it’s tough to place packages in place to influence these realities. Then we have now the Nationwide Well being Fairness program, which focuses initially on maternal outcomes, as a result of we’re conscious that maternal outcomes are fairly disparate for black and Hispanic Individuals in comparison with their white mom counterparts. And so, these stark realities are very actual. And we centered a bit initially on the maternal outcomes. After which lastly, we talked about community requirements for the way will we deliver all of those options, share greatest practices from throughout the Blues, right into a set of suggestions for the plans and for different stakeholders within the healthcare system.

Dr. Adam Myers (04:52):

And so, we put collectively a big compendium of greatest practices that distills down 10 greatest practices particularly within the maternal area initially. However over time, we’re going to maneuver into different illness states, resembling behavioral well being is coming to the fore proper now, in addition to heart problems, diabetes administration, et cetera. So, that’s a broad overview of the Nationwide Well being Fairness technique. And a part of the place this got here from was by means of strong conversations with a panel of exterior specialists within the area. And people are referred to as our nationwide advisory panel, that got here collectively. We partnered with them. And they’re actual material specialists. A few of the researchers, a few of the coverage makers, a few of the enterprise leaders which have had super influence in well being fairness, and so they’ve helped inform this method.

Peter Panageas (05:46):

So Dr. Ross, as you and I’ve spoken many occasions, we as Independence and definitely all the opposite Blues, nationally serve shoppers and members everywhere in the nation. Are you able to share with us how Independence has taken the Blue Cross Blue Protect Affiliation’s Nationwide Well being Fairness Technique, and the way it’s making use of it to the work you and members of your workforce are doing for our members. And in addition speak slightly bit about how you might be interacting together with your friends from different Blues nationally.

Dr. Seun Ross (06:12):

Certain. So BCBSA has made us type of the nationwide leaders on this area. It has laid out some audacious objectives to get rid of disparities in healthcare power members, that will inevitably translate to the state of healthcare in America. The primary aim is to cut back well being disparities in maternal well being by 50% over the subsequent 5 years. And our focus at IBC is extreme maternal morbidity and mortality, and extra particularly hypertensive problems of being pregnant. As a result of primarily based on the info evaluation of our members and since hypertensive problems of being pregnant have the potential of a unfavourable [inaudible 00:06:53] that might result in demise of mother or child, we’ve determined that that is the realm of that we’re going to give attention to for the subsequent 5 years.

Dr. Seun Ross (07:00):

And what that appears like for us is partnering with group organizations in order that our members, that these group organizations perceive our members and know methods to type of have an effect on their well being extra straight. And I feel concurrently we’re centered on decreasing disparities and despair and comorbid anxiousness, and taking a deep dive to diabetes and continual kidney illness. My counterparts throughout varied Blues, whether or not it’s in Massachusetts or whether or not it’s subsequent door in New Jersey, have all taken all maternal well being. And we have now conversations, I might say at a daily cadence. So be sure that we’re all in alignment, that what we’re doing is sensible, not just for us, however for pregnant girls at massive, I might say.

Peter Panageas (07:39):

Dr. Myers?

Dr. Adam Myers (07:40):

Love what you simply mentioned, Dr. Ross. We did declare a yr in the past, we’re developing on a yr, that we would cut back maternal disparities in maternal well being by 50%, over 5 years. And that’s an audacious aim. And folks have mentioned, is that only for the Blues or is that for America at massive? And the reply is that’s actually for America at massive. And so, despite the fact that we’re 112 million lives in combination throughout the Blues, that’s nonetheless solely a 3rd of the Americans. And so, the query has arisen, how can we influence that? Can we actually try this? I feel we will. And it’s by means of conversations like what we’re having proper now. We will’t do it alone. None of us can do that alone. However we alone can do our half.

Dr. Adam Myers (08:28):

And I like significantly what Dr. Ross mentioned, too. You all, at Independence have taken the massive technique and made it your personal. As a result of in actuality, healthcare is regionally delivered. And inside your space, your area, you’ve gotten chosen maternal blood strain as a major focus for you. Different areas would possibly determine that they wish to emphasize doulas, or they could wish to emphasize midwifery, or they could wish to emphasize different elements of the maternal well being technique. And that’s the aim of providing up a number of alternative ways to influence this. And collectively, what we’ll see is a nationwide technique with native implementation.

Peter Panageas (09:14):

Dr. Myers earlier, you had talked about this has been constructing for lots of of years that we have now this stage of inequity. And taking a primary step round maternity after which in the end transferring into behavioral and cardiac and diabetes, is clearly the suitable journey for us as we transfer ahead. However that is a simple. I feel you each would agree that this isn’t a simple activity. This isn’t one thing that’s going to occur in a single day. And I couldn’t agree with you extra Dr. Myers, that healthcare may be very regionally pushed. And I feel that is among the distinct benefits of Blue on a nationwide foundation in that once we speak to our native membership, and Dr. Ross, you, and I’ve talked about this, like an area shopper will actually respect all the good stuff that we’re doing regionally, and we educate and practice them. After which a few of our nationwide shoppers will say, “That is great, what you’re doing right here in Philadelphia, however please inform me what you’re doing for my worker or your member out in Los Angeles or in Miami or in Chicago.”

Peter Panageas (10:07):

And so my query for the 2 of you is that this. How have you ever seen different Blue plans take the affiliation, Nationwide Well being Fairness Technique, how they’ve utilized it to work that they’re doing for our members, for the Blue Cross Blue Protect members on a nationwide foundation? Possibly Dr. Ross, I’ll begin with you.

Dr. Seun Ross (10:24):

Let me say this primary. We at Independence, we companion with some organizations on mission dwelling, and that’s to ensure we acknowledge that toddler mortality was excessive. And so, we wished to be sure that that they had applicable housing to type of reduce the deaths that we had been seeing. Different Blue plans, Horizon has determined to give attention to housing additionally. They usually’re working truly with Speed up, or is it Advancing Well being fairness in Chicago to assist obtain these objectives. In Massachusetts, they’re engaged on information and rising out how we will unbundle the way in which that cost is given in order that we will determine when sufferers want interventions sooner from our perspective. And so, I feel these are simply two of the methods. However once more, type of what Dr. Meyers talked about is that, the entire issues that we’re doing will advance maternal well being fairness for the nation at massive. And so, it won’t essentially be what we’re particularly doing, however we’re piggybacking off of what different Blues are doing to advance our work.

Peter Panageas (11:25):

Dr. Myers, primarily based off of what Dr. Ross was simply articulating, speak to us in regards to the position that the Affiliation’s enjoying in coordinating with Dr. Ross and her friends, and the way we’re collaborating on a nationwide foundation.

Dr. Adam Myers (11:36):

Yeah. We’ve collaborated quite a lot of methods. One, we requested it turned a board precedence and an operational crucial to influence these outcomes. That occurred final yr with the declaration that we’ve described. As a consequence of that, every one of many Blues Plan CEOs appointed from their very own workforce, some well being fairness champions. We now have been assembly frequently with these well being fairness champions, garnering enter, understanding greatest practices, discussing measurement, discussing completely different methods and techniques about methods to deal with this stuff.

Dr. Adam Myers (12:12):

And what’s actually come to the forefront, is that the interventions cowl just a few massive classes. One has to do with provision and protection of care. One has to do with how we handle the social determinants of well being. And one has to do with this idea of measurement. And so, I’ll take each briefly. The availability of care has to do with issues like, do folks have the entry that they want? Have they got the protection that they want? And one of many initiatives that we’ve propagated now as a greatest apply is extending protection within the postpartum time interval for as much as round a yr, as an alternative of the weeks postpartum. As a result of we all know that quite a lot of the preventable antagonistic outcomes happen postpartum interval and past these six weeks. So, if protection has fallen away at that time, that there’s restricted entry to assist mitigate these points. So, that’s one instance.

Dr. Adam Myers (13:11):

One other instance is bias amongst the groups that present care. And so we partnered with the March of Dimes on a nationwide stage to supply up their unconscious bias, implicit bias coaching for suppliers, for anybody who touches pregnant sufferers, as a result of that’s a part of how our personal private viewpoint involves the desk and could be impactful in both a constructive or in a unfavourable approach towards folks’s well being outcomes. We’ve additionally centered on the pipeline of suppliers inside the workforce. And so, there’s not sufficient obstetrician, gynecologists or household physicians to do deliveries in lots of places. So, augmenting them with halfway, supporting these care groups with doulas has discovered to be a greatest apply. So, a few of it actually once more, as I described, focuses on direct provision of care, how that’s executed, the place that’s executed, by which groups they’re doing it, and the spirit and cultural humility that they create to the desk.

Dr. Adam Myers (14:14):

On the social determinant of well being aspect is one other key element of it. Dr. Ross talked about that with housing and meals and different elements, we all know very effectively now that about 80% of individuals’s well being outcomes are straight attributable to issues apart from what we’d contemplate the normal provision of care. So if one, we wish to influence 100% of well being outcomes, which I feel is our shared aim, then we will’t ignore these social determinants of well being. And lots of the Blues companions as effectively have discovered some distinctive and novel methods to deal with that by means of supporting housing, by means of supporting parenting packages and offering different ranges of assist for meals, vitamin, et cetera, all through the being pregnant and the postpartum interval, not only for the pregnant mom typically, however for the households as effectively. So, social determinants of well being.

Dr. Adam Myers (15:05):

After which the measurement piece. There was stark disagreement throughout the nation about, can we have now entry to those information about folks’s race, ethnicity, and language? Can we have now entry to those information after they’re members or sufferers? Can we have now entry to those information for those that are clinicians offering care? And the reply has been actually blended. We all know that we solely have this Riel information in about 40% of member experiences. And that’s not ok. After which when we have now entry to the info, are we truly measuring the outcomes in a constant approach nationwide in order that we will decide the place we began, and monitor the place we’re transferring in a approach the place a number of stakeholders could be measuring towards the identical true north. And we’ve labored with nationwide high quality discussion board and NCQA, to vary the way in which that that is measured and reported in order that we will have settlement throughout healthcare, not simply inside the Blues, however throughout healthcare, in such a approach that we will collectively row in the identical course. So, that’s in broad phrases, how we’ve seen this work, work on the nationwide stage, after which be carried out inside the respective Blues Plans.

Peter Panageas (16:21):

Dr. Myers, you discuss entry and protection. You discuss bias. We discuss pipeline of suppliers. Many consumers that we converse to essentially try to get their arms round that information. And I feel this isn’t only a, it’s an trade problem proper throughout the board for all of us who’re serving our members on a nationwide foundation and ensuring that and taking these steps. Dr. Myers, as you talked about is how we’re going to be constant in reporting the measurables that you simply spoke about. We additionally talked to our shoppers loads about, and I’d like to get each of your views on this, we speak to our shoppers in regards to the accountability that we as a payer, they as a deliberate sponsor, or additionally as a deliberate sponsor, relying on how they’re funded, have our obligations in serving our members.

Peter Panageas (17:06):

However we additionally speak in regards to the actuality is that our members should be educated. And the analogy of we will have all of it there for them, but when they don’t know methods to use it or entry it. Coaching, outreach, member engagement and taking possession of 1’s personal well being and wellbeing. We truly talked to a shopper regionally who talked to us about one in every of its members who was actually two blocks from a serious, main healthcare facility proper right here within the Philadelphia area, it is a globally identified facility, and so they had been two blocks away, and didn’t know methods to navigate the system to get there. And it was a problem for them. And we did all of the issues that we thought we wanted to do in an effort to have interaction that member. And but two blocks away, they didn’t perceive methods to navigate by means of it. And I’d like to get your views on that piece of it. We will do all the things we have to do, however how do you get that member to interact slightly bit extra? I’d like to get your views there.

Dr. Adam Myers (18:05):

I could soar in actual fast. One of many issues that you simply mentioned a second it in the past is we did all of the issues we thought we knew. And that’s actually, I feel the crux of it. We do suppose that we all know, and I’m not selecting on you, Peter. I feel it’s endemic throughout management, interval. We predict we all know what’s wanted. And typically we do that factor that we overlook the easy factor like asking. And so, that’s truly quantity one in every of our suggestions within the compendium of the highest 10 listing is, have interaction maternal voices and group stakeholders to craft, construct, and maintain a holistic maternal well being program from private and non-private partnerships to deal with the basis causes of those points. Moderately than assume we all know, pause a beat and say, assist me perceive. We wish to be a part of the answer. We don’t wish to assume that we perceive. Convey the 2 ears, one mouth method. Search to grasp relatively than assume that we do. And I feel we get loads additional. Seun, what are your ideas about that?

Dr. Seun Ross (19:10):

To deliver it dwelling to Independence to Philadelphia, we realized that in an effort to assist folks perceive it actually, we wanted a structural catalyst. And so, we’re going for NCQA accreditation in well being fairness. And a part of the necessities is to create an advisory committee. And that advisory committee is to be made up of the group. Now, folks have completely different definitions of what the group is. The group may very well be when it comes to the plan, the shopper or the members that work for the shopper. And it’s our aim to really get the members that work for the shopper, in order that we will perceive methods to extra straight have an effect on their care and never have it filtered by means of a 3rd get together.

Dr. Seun Ross (19:53):

So, I feel it’s necessary similar to Adam mentioned. We have to speak on to the those that we try to help. And in doing that pay attention greater than we speak.

Peter Panageas (20:02):

Properly mentioned. And thanks each for that perspective. And Dr. Myers, no, in no way. I feel your method is spot on. Look, we don’t know what we don’t know. And I feel that’s one of many causes I requested the query is as a result of, I feel the work that we’re beginning to do and asking the query in a distinct vein otherwise to a distinct viewers, is one thing that we, not solely as we as Blue, however we as an trade have to proceed to do to beat a few of the challenges that we’ve simply been speaking about.

Peter Panageas (20:26):

So Dr. Ross, I’m going to level this query your approach, and Dr. Myers going to ask you from a Blues perspective to put on high of it. So, as I had talked about earlier, Dr. Ross, that you simply joined our group, you joined Independence August of final yr, and we’re so thrilled to have you ever as a part of our workforce. And the position that you simply and your workforce are pretty new to our group and definitely new to the Blues. Are you able to share with our viewers, a few of the plans that you simply and your workforce have to deal with well being equities that our members regionally nationally are dealing with? After which Dr. Myers, if you can even showcase some greatest practices that you simply’ve come throughout from different Blues that different Blues are doing nationally as effectively? So Dr. Ross, I’ll flip it over to you.

Dr. Seun Ross (21:05):

Certain. So sure, I’m solely eight months in been right here eight months. And my workforce is even youthful than that. Look, the position of well being fairness officers and well being plans is an rising position. Previous to my arrival at Independence, Independence earlier than of daring company technique of equitable dwelling particular person well being. And my position is to operationalize that technique. And that’s main the work that creates and defines measures of fairness and enchancment objectives for all Independence traces of enterprise. So to that finish, I’ve just a few priorities.

Dr. Seun Ross (21:37):

One, holding us accountable by information pushed enhancements. Advantages and care supply redesign. Our success once more, relies upon largely on our relationship with the group. So group engagement and investments. Inhabitants well being and digital well being. After which tutorial group collaborations. And I feel I might be remiss if I didn’t point out. Right here in Pennsylvania, there was a state coverage or regulation truly, that prevented us from asking race, ethnicity, and language questions on an insurance coverage utility. So, you’ve gotten this type of conundrum. We’re being requested to enhance well being outcomes. We’re being requested to get rid of well being disparities. However we can’t ask a member or a possible member type of the gold commonplace, how they determine themselves.

Dr. Seun Ross (22:27):

So, my colleagues in informatics and authorities affairs labored actually arduous and type of lobbied the state to vary that regulation. And final week, it truly was modified. So we at the moment are capable of ask these essential questions on these functions. And that may eliminate the query of how will we even get information. As a result of since this monitor information shouldn’t be sufficient, imputed information has so many holes in it. So, authorities affairs, IX, their work actually helped us get to the place we wanted to go.

Peter Panageas (23:01):

Glorious. Dr. Myers?

Dr. Adam Myers (23:03):

Yeah, there are just a few. I imply, there are fairly just a few greatest practices that we’ve seen throughout the Blue the place we’ve seen components of this technique carried out with materials success. I’ll point out one. Blue Cross Blue Protect of South Carolina and partnership with Anthem Blue Cross Blue Protect carried out a centering being pregnant group, prenatal look after the Medicaid moms in South Carolina. The group prenatal care mannequin contains well being assessments, interactive studying, in addition to group constructing. And has noticed a 33% lower in preterm births. 33% lower in preterm births. Blue Cross Blue Protect of Minnesota is rising the reimbursement price in frequency for doulas, to encourage them to just accept Medicaid membership as effectively. They usually are also funding 48 scholarships for doulas of colour of their communities, to attempt to actually spherical out and convey variety to that workforce that may be so impactful.

Dr. Adam Myers (24:02):

We’ve talked in regards to the partnership with the March Of Dimes. Many Blues Plans are actually encouraging that, or produce other alternatives that they provide to their supplier companions for unconscious bias and tradition humility coaching. Blue Cross Blue Protect of Massachusetts has included incentives linked to well being fairness measures into their different high quality contracts, their valued primarily based contracts. They’re together with well being fairness measures into these contracts. After which as I described, Vermont is an space the place is a reasonably rural state, and so they merely don’t have sufficient conventional OBGYN or household doctor suppliers to assist their inhabitants. So, they’ve labored with vigor to assist equip and produce extra licensed midwives for his or her inhabitants.

Dr. Adam Myers (24:49):

So, that’s only a style of the number of native implementation methods which have been dropped at bear throughout the Blues in an effort to handle these challenges. However then there’s additionally public assist of issues just like the omnibus bundle, which is definitely 12 separate payments which might be working by means of the legislative course of at a federal stage, which might be every in and of themselves materially impactful to well being outcomes for girls. And so, we’re by the one supporting every a kind of packages as they make their approach by means of, every a kind of legislative choices as they make their, our approach by means of. And on the hill with policymakers as effectively. And so, it’s daily conversations with coverage makers about how can we do that higher, and what components will we every personal in options that may be dropped at bear? As a result of we will’t level fingers. We will attain out arms, as approach that we do that collectively. And solely collectively can we accomplish these outcomes. And I feel that measure is resounding loudly and clearly. And I’ll inform you, coverage makers are wanting to make influence on this regard as effectively.

Peter Panageas (26:00):

Thanks a lot. So, Dr. Myers, Dr. Ross, we lined loads as we speak. And I feel the issues that we’re speaking about are apparent, not simple duties. That is going to take a very long time. And we’re taking the suitable steps in direction of making change. And definitely beginning with maternity and branching into quite a lot of different, very, very severe components that should be tackled. We talked in regards to the significance of information. We talked in regards to the significance of measurement. We talked in regards to the significance of fixing coverage. One out of each three Individuals maintain a Blue Cross Blue Protect card. We’ve received quite a lot of membership on a nationwide foundation. And so, we owe it to our members to proceed to drive that. And I feel quite a lot of the issues that you simply’ve each shared with our viewers as we speak was very, very impactful and really, very useful with the understanding that we’ve nonetheless much more work to do. And possibly for a future podcast, we possibly agree to come back again in possibly a yr and see what sorts of strides we’ve made in the middle of a yr. And possibly that’s one thing we will do a yr from now.

Peter Panageas (26:54):

However let me ask you about this query as I do with all of our company. If there’s anyone or two or three issues that you simply’d prefer to share as a closing remark with our viewers, what would it not be? Dr. Myers, I’ll begin with you.

Dr. Adam Myers (27:08):

Certain. Thanks Peter. We didn’t get right here in a single day. The outcomes that we see now, come from basically a societal construction and set of processes and priorities that we’ve had in place for lots of of years. The issues are societal and broader than what we oftentimes view of as healthcare within the conventional sense. So, the truth that they’ve been occurring for lots of of years and that it’s greater than what any one in every of us can affect, it’s tempting to surrender. It’s tempting to say, can we actually do that? It’s tempting to attempt to oversimplify the issues into options, and discover single options that may be dropped at bear. I’ll say there aren’t any single options for this.

Dr. Adam Myers (27:57):

My take dwelling message can be, don’t hand over hope. We now have the dedication, we have now the wherewithal. And it’ll take lengthy sustained dedication at a number of combination incremental options which might be dropped at bear. There’s not going to be a silver bullet. It’s going to take numerous little issues that add up that may lastly get us to the top of the rainbow right here, of larger well being fairness. This isn’t moral rainbow. I feel we will obtain it. But it surely’s going to take lengthy sustained effort in an effort to accomplish it. This isn’t 1 / 4 to quarter difficulty. This can be a decade to decade difficulty, from a outcomes standpoint.

Peter Panageas (28:39):

Dr. Ross?

Dr. Seun Ross (28:40):

Thanks, Pete. I feel that’s necessary to know that that is going to take years. It didn’t occur in a single day. And in consequence, it’s going to take us as Dr. Myers mentioned, years for us to make some inroads. What my take dwelling can be is that well being fairness is the top end result. Earlier than we get to well being fairness, I feel it’s going to require us to be slightly bit extra uncomfortable. I don’t suppose that we’re uncomfortable sufficient but in speaking about what it’s actually going to take to realize well being fairness, to eliminate disparities, to get rid of inequities. Social determinants of well being, as Dr. Myers mentioned earlier, is the first think about attaining well being fairness. And I don’t suppose that we began to have sufficient conversations round SDOH, to make the mandatory inroads that we might. So, it’s to be uncomfortable. I encourage everybody to volunteer at their group organizations, be part of their group, and making adjustments for his or her group and communities that they don’t essentially dwell in. So, in case your group is doing effectively, I encourage you to go to a group who isn’t and assist out.

Peter Panageas (29:52):

So Dr. Ross, Dr. Myers, thanks a lot for being with us as we speak and for sharing data with us on how Independence the Blue Cross Blue Protect Affiliation, and definitely what different Blues Plans are addressing the well being inequities our nation is dealing with on daily basis. Thanks.

Dr. Seun Ross (30:07):

Thanks. Thanks for having us.

Dr. Adam Myers (30:08):

Thanks.

Peter Panageas (30:10):

And to our listeners, thanks a lot for becoming a member of us as we speak, and I hope you’d loved our dialogue. Try the present notes for extra data at insights.ibx.com. That’s insights.ibx.com. Thanks once more for becoming a member of us, and we’ll see you subsequent month. Thanks everyone.

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